My husband and I are staying up late, watching a CNN special on Sarah Palin, followed by one on Joe Biden, in our continuing effort to learn more about the candidates.
They mentioned that Sarah and Todd unexpectedly eloped on August 29, 1988. No one in either family was informed, they went to the courthouse and, because they needed witnesses, they grabbed two old folks from the Retirement Home across the street.
Less than 8 months later, on April 20, 1989, their son Track was born. I have verified these dates.
I look for answers and I find more questions. The dates indicate that Sarah was approximately 4 weeks pregnant when she and Todd quickly eloped. So, apparently, she didn't hold herself to the same standard of abstinence as she expects from everyone else. Some may call this mudslinging or nit picking, say it has nothing to do with her ability to be the V.P., but it seems to me that her own behavior is very hypocritical. Where were those Christian family values before she was married?
[question posted by spalladino]responses and comments:
We are all human. That Gov. Palin and her husband started their family a little early does not bother me in the least. [redyellowblackdog]
I've heard of this program and that the results are excellant. [redyellowblackdog]
You are jumping to conclusions. What about this. Maybe this situation changed her opinion and this is why she says abstinence is good. Why would it make her a hypocrite if she bases her decisions on actions of the past? I drank alcohol before I was 21 but I say kids shouldn't be getting drunk before they are 21. Does that make me a hypocrite when at the time I didn't say kids should wait until they are 21? [coolseeds]
I am not offended. What I don't understand is why people would bring up education to a debate WITH THE ASSUMPTION that I don't think children should be educated. Abstinence does not mean that like children come from the stork. It means if you don't want to get pregnant or sexually transmitted diseases then don't have sex. [coolseeds]
If that is a reason not to vote for her what about a lawyer who won't follow the law and when caught avoids the penalty. http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/03/08/obama_paid_late_parking_tickets/ Or a lawyer who copies some one else's work and tries to pass it off as his own? http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE3DB143FF93BA2575AC0A961948260 By choosing to get married she is showing her family values (not getting an Abortion) and by remaining married is true family values. Again how many people will be so what it could have been me. [bobmnu]
Should the character of the legislator be the primary consideration when talking about legislation or should the issues within that legislation take center stage? Our legislators are supposed to represent *us*....or needs...what's good for our children. Teaching abstinence as the only form of birth control is not only reckless in my opinion, it's educational censorship. The Parking Tickets is I don't have to pay until it is going to hurt me. I still don't see that as a big deal, bob. How many of us put off paying something for as long as possible? The coping of someone else's work and claiming that you did not know the rules of writing. (after 4yr in High School, and 4 yr in College where writing papers is a requirement) In Senator Obama and Senator Biden case they tried not to take responsibility until they were forced to do so by someone else. With Gov. Palin she saw the problem, accepted the consequences and took action to resolve the problem based on her values. Based on her values. Since when is this country held hostage by the values of any one or two people? Since when do my grandchildren not have the right to be informed, prepared and protected because Palin and McCain do not support comprehensive sex education? [spalladino]
This goes beyond nitpicking. It's completely irrelevant and you cite no sources, but for the sake of argument, I'll trust that you researched your dates accurately since you're a pretty honest person. Have you not ever heard of someone giving birth after 8 months? I have at least 3 friends that I know of who had children that were 1 month premature and I have one friend who had a child after being pregnant for only 6 months. OK, that was extremely rare and the baby was 2 pounds 11 ounces, but my point stands that it can happen. I don't see how any of this is even minutely relevant to her campaign for vice president. I had premarital sex and I still agree that it is best if people wait till marriage. I just know that it is completely unrealistic. No matter how you look at it you are making assumptions. I wonder if DailyKOS is going to demand medical records to verify the date of conception. Knowing those scumbags they probably have. [Taskr36]
Taskr, I've stated why this concerns me in a couple of my responses above so I'd appreciate it if you would read them so that I don't have to keep retyping the same thing. As I said, my husband and I watched the CNN special on her last night, which was a basically getting to know her and her history. Her elopement was covered along with the *funny* bit about dragging two old people from the Retirement home across the street to act as witnesses. This was followed by the arrival of Track 8 months later. There are several legitimate sources on the web that publish the date of their Wedding and Track's birth date. Nothing was mentioned about this being a premature birth and I have not been able to turn up anything that indicated that he was, in fact, premature. I agree with you that it's unrealistic to expect young people to wait until marriage to become sexually acive which is why I feel it is so important that teenagers are armed with knowledge and available birth control options...not just one. As far as the DailyKOS....or even Media Matters....goes, if they do manage to obtain medical records I'll miss that information because I don't read either of thsoe rags. [spalladino]
And this means? Look, Christian families have had these things happen too. I went to a Christian high school and at least three girls ended up pregnant. It happens. You can still be a Christian and have it happen. Christianity is not a guaranteed sex deterrent. [irishidid]
I have absolutely no problem with it being an option, or part of the curriculum in a comprehensive sex education course. I have no problem with abstinence being a choice, along with the other choices available, but I want the other choices, the other options, included and correctly taught, not hidden in the closet or used as scare tactics. Palin has said in the past that she will not support the more comprehensive sex education courses, only the ones that teach abstinence. This is not a discussion about sin...it's a discussion about education and the right of children and teenagers to be informed and prepared for the realities of life, and to have access to medical treatments should they choose to seek them out. One does not have to be free of sin to care about the educaion the young people of this country receive. [spalladino]
Here's my problem with the situation spall, and I do find it hypocritical that she was pregnant before she was married, but how come they grabbed to people froma retirement home to be thir witnesses? Why didn't they tell their parents they were getting married? Or did they? My husband and I got married at the courthouse, mostly because I had a big wedding with my "starter husband" and didn't want to go through that again, but also because we have kids together alreafy and thought a big ceremony was irrelevant, the point was that after living together for 6 years it was time. However, our parents were there. I don't understand why, regardless of where the ceremony is, your parents wouldn't be there, short of them being deceased. Unless of course they had issues with the marriage to begin with. I don't think this is mudslinging or nitpicking, I think this is part of the process of getting to know our candidates. [soccermom]
That's exactly what got me spall, they liked Todd, probably would've been happy they were getting married, and if you have such a close, loving family, it would be important to be there regardless of where the ceremony was actually held. Half the time I don't even get along with my parents, but they wanted to be there. Perception is reality, and the perseption is that she was hiding the fact that she didn't practicing what she is preaching. [soccermom]
I read about their wedding a few weeks ago but I could never find a birth date on the oldest child so I just gave up. I don't think it's nit picking if the "right" are still believing that Obama is a "closet Muslim". [ZephyrSun]
Exactly!! The girl in this article I think learned that after 3 children by the age of 17. Sad we don't do more to educate the children of this nation. I love the Conservatives that live in their dream land that these "teens" hanging babies are victims of incest/rape. How laughable! [ZephyrSun]
Hi spalladino, how are you doing? Of course it's not mudslinging or nitpicking. You are merely stating facts, but it seems that some of our republican friends don't like what you have to say. I could really care less whether she was pregnant or not, and, maybe I could say like mother, like daughter, but I won't. LOL The issue as far as I'm concerned is these family values of hers maybe don't apply to her family, just to everyone else in the country. There is always going to be something, somewhere in most people's past that they are not proud of and would rather it not be made public, but when you are a politician, you darn well better expect it to happen. I personally don't want to vote for either of the candidates, but I will exercise my right and duty to vote for whomever I decide is the best candidate. I will take everything into consideration, and try to make an informed, intelligent decision based on all that I can find out before election day. McCain is an old man with a better than average chance to not make it through the four-year term. And, yes, I mean he stands a good chance to die while in office. I personally don't think I want Sarah Palin as our president. I am also unsure that I want Obama, but at least if something happens to him, I feel like we would have someone in Joe Biden who might be a half-way decent leader. Anyway, these are my opinions on the subject. [bbjwlsn]
Hi bb, I'm doing fine. happy I'm like you, I have concerns about both candidates and, unfortunately, McCain's V.P. choice plays a greater role because of his age and health problems. I'm not comfortable with extremists but I will hear them out and possibly agree if their argument makes sense. Arguing that abstinence should be the *only* form of birth control which is something that could have an impact on the lives of my grandchildren down the road, when it's not even practiced in your own family bothers me. [spalladino]
I don't think it hypocritical at all. I've done a LOT of things in years past (and when I was an adult, a lot older than 18!) that I wouldn't condone anyone doing, no matter their age. I would now counsel others against behaviors such as what I've done. Does that make me a hypocrite? Absolutely not. If I were STILL doing those things and hiding it, that would make me hypocritical. Someone that smokes trying to get someone else to quit would be hypocritical. Someone claiming that adultery is while carrying on in an extramarital affair is hypocritical. Conceiving a child before marriage some 20+ years ago doesn't make her a hypocrite today. It makes her human ... [Ldyjarhead]
From MSNBC: During her 2006 gubernatorial race she was asked the following by the Eagle Forum Alaska: Will you support funding for abstinence-until-marriage education instead of for explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics, and the distribution of contraceptives in schools? Her response: Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support. As far as I could tell the Eagle Forum Alaska has no party affiliation. Ldy, I agree with you. Lots of things I have done in my past that I tell my kids not to do. I don't consider that being a hypocrite. You're not in a position to possibly tell the entire country what to do. [spalladino]
Her reputation is in question right now. I just hope that she could overcome all this. Good luck to her. [WATARIKENJI]
Classycat, every parent knows, or has access to, the curriculum for every sex education class that's offered in public schools and also has the option of having their child opt out of participating in it. It is *never* forced on anyone, however, if the only thing they're teaching in that class is abstinence then who is forcing their personal beliefs on whom? Sex education is not the god that some espouse it to be. When kids are in the "heat of the moment" - neither of them is going to say:"oops wait a minute, while I do my thing for birth control." Teach your own kids at home. IMO, kids will be prepared *before* the heat of the moment to take precautions, against an unplanned pregnancy AND STDs, or has everyone forgotten about them while deamonizing sex education? The reason comprehensive sex education was started in the first place was because leaving it up to the parents was not working and kids were believing things that were untrue about pregnancy prevention...like, if you jump and down afterwards the sperm will fall out and you won't get pregnant. I don't understand how it's ok for sex education to be forced upon us - but it's "not" ok for abstinence to be taught. Whatever works. Again, I have no problem with abstinence being included, and it is in my county. My problem is with the everything else being EXcluded. No wonder these ideas revail in folks who make CNN and MSNBC their informative(?) place to learn about the candidates! FYI, making innacurate and inflammatory comments about where the people who you disagree with get their information makes you look foolish. Some of my information does come from CNN but I'm also very aware of their bias, along with the biases of MSNBC, ABC, CBS, most newspapers, radio talk show hosts and a host of websites. That doesn't mean that they are Discounted completely. This special on Sarah Palin was done with the cooperation of her, her family and her the town of Wasilla. It was not a hit piece, there was no editorializing...it was biographical. [spalladino]
There is a "nice" article on MSNBC today as to how Palin conducts herself http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/266691018/page/4 Much of the info comes straight from her fellow Alaskans. Book banning, hiring a Sec of Ag who loved cows as a kid? Vote for her, please so we can all continue to be the biggest suckers in the world. [N4life]
I also read that she put some kind of gag order on state employees concerning the investigation into the state employee firing. [N4life]
yep, your right. pick pick pick pick. [xfahctor]
If you don't think there's anything to it, x, that's fine. Some folks won't. [spalladino]
Well at least when they found she was PG she didnt run get an abortion they did get married a give the sona last name and she didnt go on welfare to rasie him ALso since this happened to her she is now tring to get it across that you should wiat till marriage. SOme people it will take and some it wont. For you know teens they think they know it all . Even if they did elope they sure aint the firsts one to do this! [Lakota12]
No I wouldnt want the teens now or later not know about birth control. Other than the rythum method. We do need the PILL for sure. as teens can get carried away and not use ptotection and that to can lead to something else. The parents should step in and tell their teens the pros and cons of sex before marriage but then to they are smart and they do teach it in schools And I am very for if you think your teen is liable to go out there and have sex to be on the pill! [Lakota12]
I didn't see where she said you had to abstain, she does support abstinence education along with sex ed. There is a difference there. And the fact that they fixed the issue by being responsible and getting married. Look at them now, I would say that things worked out! [laglen]
Actually, she does not support sex education in the schools. From MSNBC: During her 2006 gubernatorial race she was asked the following by the Eagle Forum Alaska: Will you support funding for abstinence-until-marriage education instead of for explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics, and the distribution of contraceptives in schools? Her response: Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support. This is on the record. She supports only abstinenece education. I'm glad things have worked out for Todd and Sarah, and give them cudos for that, but statistically marriages between young people due to pregnancy have an extremely high failure rate. [spalladino]
I see what you are saying as far as this goes. It makes it a bit tough to believe in what she says. But in my experiance a problem arrises when we talk about people and what they have done in the past. That was a lot of years ago and I am sure that she has lived every bit of the hard roads that come with having a child at such a young age. with this experiance of hers she knows more than most how important abstinence is. You learn from your experiances. 1988 was a long time ago and I believe that she is an advocate for this. She just happened to be a lucky one that actually stayed with her first love and went on to have more children with him. And here it is, 20 years later and they are still married. That to me is outside of the hypocritical since she is still where she planned to be. Now all the other stuff that may be questionable. The marriage to her husband right after the baby was conceived doesnt reflect to me how she will act as VP. I am looking for who she is and what her veiws have been and her actions since she has gotten in the real world. Not about how she started her family. [ladygator]
Maybe it's just me but, if I was taught abstinence only and found that I couldn't follow it to the point where I became pregnant out of wedlock, I'm fairly sure that I wouldn't promote that as a good option for my daughters. Not when there are so many other, more effective ways to deal with educating our children in this area and so many other options available depending on their circumstances. [spalladino]
This is almost funny as I discovered this about 3 days ago while reading and investigating the candidates and was going to start a discussion here. I also said the same as you but for a different reason as she states the reason they eloped was so they wouldnt have to spend money on a wedding, obviously I didnt buy that and went searching and found her sons birthday on his police record. I thought hmmm okay but why lie about the reason. If she is suppose to be so religious come clean and suck it up. I guess my take on this is everyone makes mistakes BUT dont lie about things as sooner or later it is going to unravel in your face even if you look at things through a telescope. [Ithink]
Oh I totally agree, about the abstinence issue, as it obviously didnt work for her OR her daughter that she has raised in her home under those assumptions that it does work. I dont feel anyone should put their personal ideals onto anyone else. IF they come into office I really feel we are all in for one heck of a ride as she tries to put her idealistic family plans and personal feelings onto everyone else from the power she will feel she has. As she has obviously done in the past with being Mayor and Governor. [Ithink]
i think that every person is allowed to change their mind. and while i think abstinence is the best thing you're never going to get it. and forcing that upon people is ridiculous. the only thing you can do is educate kids on the best ways to protect themselves and let them make their own decisions. [medney1988]
I agree, Medney. Keeping someone ignorant is the worst possible thing you can do to them. This is a free country and, while there probably are many parents who do not want their children to learn about subjects such as these, there are also many parents who do so the option should remain open, with the ability to opt out for those who object. [spalladino]
Isn't Track a newborn? Or am I thinking of another one of her kids? I haven't been following this story all that close I have just been half listening so I could be wrong on the name of her baby. happy [Amberina]
Ah ok unusual names....I wonder how she came up with them? What's the story behind the names. [Amberina]
I agree it does matter in this case. It would not were it not an issue to her, but since she is the one who touts her "family values," I think it is apropos. [magnolia17]
HMMMM! Well isn't that interesting. I know that show that you are talking about. I was tempted to watch it but sorry to say I just couldn't keep my eyes open looking for something good..let alone have any of it soak into my tired brain. [boppiedog]
Well, to me, if she is claiming a standard of Abstinence, and expecting everyone to do so, then this is a double standard. Plus her oldest daughter is pregnant, and now since her being chosen as Vice President elect they say is Engaged, isn't this double standards as well? To me after reading all of these things, I see them continue to judge Obama to no end, but no one never is allowed to talk about these things? I guess it up to us the American people to Pray about it, and continue to watch and see who is the best choice for us all. Just my thoughts. [KrauseHome]
I agree, KrauseHome, it is a double standard...and a bad one. It's a shame that not only do we have to focus on things like the economy, energy, foreign relations and the war, we also have to worry about the possibility of losing some of our rights over our own bodies and protecting our children. [spalladino]
If she confessed her sin to the Church, and to God, then she is forgiven for that sin. Oh by the way, sometimes what sins we do are not forgiven, not by God, but by people. So obviously if you had known me and known my real name, and I had told you that I slept with someone before I married and I am now a Christian, you would not have forgiven me either and people who do not forgive will not pray for the ones they do not forgive. I would rather have a man as a vice president for the United States and it is a shame that those feminist pro abortions, we are better than man and we believe in same gender unions have made it so the McCain had to choose Palin to counter act their vile. So the question is did she tell her daughter, "I slept with your father before we were married, I wanted a big church wedding and have God's blessing, do not do what I did?" or did she keep silent. On and if I was an American that would not drive me to vote for Obama. I would rather refrain or maybe there is another choice. [suspenseful]
Suspenseful, I am a Christian and I think you judge us too hard. It's not my place to forgive anyone for anything that was not done to me directly. Personally, I don't judge those who choose to live in committed relationships without getting married but I doubt the family discussion you inquired about took place. I would imagine that the same abstinence only doctrine continues to be the only way to live in that family since it's still so popular with Palin publicallyl. [spalladino]
sp alladino since when is eloping against those so called christian values? Lots of people elope rather than spend ten thousand dollars on a wedding then get divorced two years later. And even if she was pregnant that doesnt mean she is a horrible person. I do not particularly like her views but am so tired of this thing of treating candidates like some kind of Gods who are supposed to be lily white and never have committed any sin in their lives even to just dropping some litter on the ground.Candidates are human beings and capable of making boo boos just like you or I.I would not vote for her as I vote democratic but hate to see people malign for every teensy fault known to mankind.How do you know what sort of family values she came from? [Hatley]
Rocket, give Rachel a break. She has a bunch of kids so she's allowed to get the names mixed up. lol Rachel, when I was a teen in the late 60's/early 70's there were a lot of couples who had hurry up weddings and just happened to have their first child arrive *early*. rolleyes [spalladino]
I wonder how upset you'd be if she did the non-Christian thing and had an abortion. Would that even register on your radar screen? She married the man and is married to him still. You sound like an old lady at the beauty shop gossiping. [rocketj1]
I say you're gossiping and you call me an idiot? Yea, you sound really fair and impartial. Just like the media you seem to hold in such high esteem. [rocketj1]
My God spalladino, this is the reason that God is so different from us humans. What does this has to do with her ambition. She has proven herself to be a good worker in the eyes of the public. Everyone makes mistakes and it was good that they both make the decision to become parents for the child. Please to judge her according to her public life works and not what she has done during her teenage life. Is it is good that she saw they did something wrong and does not want to encourage other persons at that age to do the same. Remember that things and time as change. You all are judging and you should remember that the bible says leave all judgement to God. Even if you praise Goddess, you should leave it to her too. [kerriannc]
This has quite a bit to do with her ambition. Yes, if she was pregnant when she got married, she made a mistake...and she wasn't a teen, this was after she graduated from college...so she should have had the internal fortitude to live up to the standards of abstinence that she would impose on the rest of us. Again, I have no problem with abstinence being A PART of a comprehensive sex education curriculum but Palin wants it to be the ONLY thing taught to our young people (unless she's changed her mind since 2006) and THAT is something I object to. You all are judging and you should remember that the bible says leave all judgement to God. I am not judging anyone as a sinner...I do know what the Bible says...but I am well within my rights to question and judge the behavior and ideals of the people running for office in my county, state and country. [spalladino]
Its funny when Palin or her family makes a mistake then she's human and everyone makes a mistake. When the little Spears got pregnant the gloves came off she was called every name in the book. Also I have massive with the fact she is against giving any assistance to single teen mothers when her daughter is one and I am sure they are going to help her out. Not everyone has families that will be there for them or young men that will step up to the plate and do the honorable thing. you would think she would be more understanding considering that she and her daughter have made similiar mistakes! I myself have human values and compassion for others I am not judging her or her family but for someone that lives in a glass house she sure throws a lot of rocks at others! [Rachel85044]
you are not nearly as defensive as the person above you, but I have noticed that people are very quick to overlook any thing she has said that is either incorrect or a complete lie. [Rachel85044]
I too watched that same show last night. I had read earlier in the day that her and Todd did eloped and that her son was born the next year. i had a feeling it was a shot gun wedding but my mom asked me to do some fact checking before i judged them. Well watching CNN they did the fact checking for me. I did laugh out loud, when they said the baby was born 8 months later. I knew something was up because what beauty queen do you know that does not want the pretty dress and everything perfect wedding day. I guess we can say "the apple does not fall far from the tree" and that i guess she should not judge people on having sex before marriage because she was doing it! It looks as though they didnt know about condoms or birth control back then either. Maybe there is a ban of condoms and birth control in Alaska (okay people dont jump all over me i was saying that for a good laugh) [Sarah1108]
Rachel thank you for jumping in and helping me out. to the other people: I dont fault Sarah Palin for getting married when she found out she was having a child. That is great. But i do fault her for judging everyone for the same mistakes she has made. I have made some mistakes in my short life of 23 years and i dont judge people for doing the same thing. yes i was joking about it because i think her judging people the way she does is just that a JOKE! I am not yet a mother but when i do become one i will be a state at home mom. If she is able to go to work and take care of 5 children then good for her. I will ask though look at the facts most teens that get pregnant dont have a family thats really around asking questions and keeping track of them. because at 16 and 17 my parents didnt give me any space to go out and have sex. i am just stating a fact look it up! [Sarah1108]
I am amazed at how much people want to know the sex lives of people. Look, we're all human. Conservatives fail morally all the time...as well as Dems. If you are without sin...then cast it (the stone). [MalloryDavis]
Mallory, are you obsessed with sex because I have not indicated any interest in Sarah and Todd's sex life? This discussion is not about sin...it's about legislation, it's about our children, it's about educational constraints. Pay attention and try to stick to the issues because I don't need to be without sin to have questions, to express them OR to throw stones if necessary. [spalladino]
Good day... There's a saying that we learned from our mistakes and may be Palin did and that's why she's trying to correct that. [blackmantra_x]
The lesson would be that having unprotected sex leads to an unplanned pregnancy. If that had happened to me I think I would swing more towards kids being informed and prepared rather than trying to push the abstinence that did not work. [spalladino]
I guess the old adage, "the truth shall set you free" is right after all. Nothing stays hidden these days because of investigative reporting and the Internet. It could be used for good or for bad purposes. Anyway, it would be good to know a lot of things about your candidates. [underdogtoo]
I did not mean Palin. I don't care for what she has done. I am not here to judge her or other candidates. I mean everyone who has learned the truth, that their ignorance has been eliminated because of the information available. It is up to them to decide how the truth sets them free. They could condemn and recriminate or they could go deeper into their souls and find something positive. [janjalanex]
Sounds to me like you are trying to say she is a hypocrite from making a mistake early in her life. You are not watching the specials to find information on the candidates you are watching them to find ways to condemn the candidates you already don't like. Did you ever think that maybe she gained her values after making mistakes and learning? [banadux]
You should get your hearing along with your eyes checked. I'm saying that she's a hypocrite for promoting abstinence *only* education on the youth of this country when she's known for 20 years that it does not work. It's also nice that you believe yourself to be psychic but, no, I don't stay up until 1:00 in the morning looking for "gotchas"! My husband and I wanted to see the Special on Joe Biden, too, but we couldn't hang any longer. But, if you want to believe that a 60 year old man and his wife stayed up late for that reason, help yourself. By the way, the lesson she should have learned is that, if you're going to be sexually active, you should be protected...not only from pregnancy but from STD's as well. [spalladino]
I am no supporter of Palin, but I don't think it's necessarily being hypocritical if someone changes what they believe after 20 years. If she eloped now, and said the things she did now, then it would be hypocritical. Having said that, I don't think its appropriate for her to preach to others about this sort of thing, not because I feel she is being hypocritical, but because I think it is obnoxious of her to do so. [Uroborus]
I see it that way to. I dont necessarily support her but that really doesnt decribe her character today. [ladygator]
I say that she is just being human. She was young, impulsive and a bit careless just like anyone else. That doesn't mean that she has not changed over time. I don't think that she is being a hypocrite when she espouses abstinence. Let's just say that she knows the consequences of getting pregnant at an early age and having been through the same situation makes her an expert on the topic. If you read the Bible, you will learn that the transgresssion made by Sarah Palin pales in comparison as that of Mary Magdalene. If Mary Magdalene was considered as fit to kiss the feet of Jesus and spread the word of Christianity later on, why can't Sarah do the same? [alindahaw]
Her "stance" on Christian Values or anything doesn't matter to me. After reading up on her I want waste another thought on her. It's funny to me that Alaska stood by and allowed her to be in office there... Is there really a double standard where Republicans can get by with it while democrats get blamed for it? [RhythmWalker1]
I don't see anything wrong with your statistical dates. I have two children neither of which I carried full term. You can't just assume she had s ex before she married unless she comes out and says she did. With that kind of timing, she could have delivered early you are talking about a month or less. I have heard but don't hold me to it, they eloped because they didn't want to spend the money on a wedding. I saw that in an interview so where. [trieschman]
I see where you are coming from but I am not sure about the relationship to her political position. When she was 18 she could have felt one way and changed her mind. I hope for everyone's sake that you will not hold against me things I have done in my past but now have strong feelings about since I have grown up. I think there are more important points of view to discuss towards her political position than this one. [trieschman]
who among the candidates is perfect like saints? Sarah is just the same as all people in this world. We bound to make mistakes and we also have the chance to correct it and let our followers avoid the same mistakes we make. The most important thin is a leader who has strong principles to see right and wrong. As is dedicated to serve the country and its people. Just my opinion. [Bebs08]