Does that bother anyone?
http://www.care2.com/news/member/434996229/902414
Please, don't complain about the link I provided above, it's there for informational reasons only for anyone who hasn't already heard about this disgraceful behavior by McCain/Palin supporters. The most recent report I heard was that the Secret Service is investigating the "Kill him" shout.
there was also a report of, I believe it was a Palin campaign worker, who told an African American member of the media to "Sit down", adding "Boy".
As far as I know or have heard so far neither McCain nor Palin have had any comment about any of these incidents.
Anyone here have any comments?
Annie
[question posted by anniepa]responses and comments:
I have and I was just talking about it with my mother this morning. I was so sicken over this. My mother has turned to supporting McCain because of his extreme far far far right wing running mate (as my husband said "she so far right she can't see Rush from where she's standing) as I was telling her about this today she has decided to change her vote. My brother has a child with a black woman so my mother was really upset by what happened and Palin did not say anything about the comments. I find it very upsetting, I know we have ignorant people in this country but this just makes me completely sick! [ZephyrSun]
Last night following the debate, when they read the reactions of the panel, the independents rated way down every time John McCain was negative or snide or tried to crack a lame joke. They are hungry for real information on real issues. They rated VERY HIGH when Obama prioritized and put energy first, emphasizing a new industry and job creation. That is what they are waiting to hear. [MoonlightSerenade]
This is the first that I've heard of this, anniepa, and I find it very upsetting. But then again, I also find it upsetting whenever I hear our government talking about killing people. I have just never been one to hop on the killing people bandwagon, but I fear that it is a very real part of our culture. When I 'leaders' talk about killing people as the way to solve our national problems, is it any wonder the people do the same? [Transdisc]
I don't understand. McCain and Palin are doing some mudslinging- as Obama and Biden are- and as most politicians do. It is a few of their supporters who are behaving badly. Why should they be punished for that? They can not control what the people do or say. How, exactly, is it their fault? I do believe if someone suggested violence they should be investigated and it should be taken seriously, but I don't see how McCain or Palin is responsible for that. [Sillychick]
Did they actually escort this person out of there? Thats what they should of did. I bet if someone started disapproving of what McCain said they would have them out of their in a second, so why not this guy? Though it was slight on Tv, it must of been fairly audible for the people in the audience. I would not stand for that even at an Obama rally and it would set off red flags. [revellanotvanella]
Anything like that should be condemned. Obama should be condemning the "Praise our savior, Obama" songs, etc. being sung by innocent children. Both of these actions should be condemned. [irishidid]
Here is the Glenn Beck Parody http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvxiG56M-eU Sadly, this is real. If you read the description on the right of this video,you will see what REAL Censorship looks like. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy09UpI60F8 This video was featured on Obama's website until Drudge featured it on his. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTm5rp8r6fE If you think that this just "Happened" at A neighbors house on a Sunday afternoon then you are more brainwashed than these poor little kids. [morethanamolehill]
I had not heard about this either, so I am glad you included that link. The information there says it all. If that remark had truly been made about OBAMA, I could understand what the heat would be over. But go back and CAREFULLY re-read this portion of the article: ______________________________________________________ Palin says: "Now it turns out, one of his earliest supporters is a man named Bill Ayers...And, according to the New York Times, he was a domestic terrorist and part of a group that, quote, 'launched a campaign of bombings that would target the Pentagon and our U.S. Capitol,'" she continued. "Boooo!" the crowd repeated. "Kill him!" proposed one man in the audience. _____________________________________________________ Now....that whole paragraph (which was "booooo-ed" and the "kill him" remark was made right after), was in fact all about BILL AYERS.......NOT about OBAMA. Where does anyone get the idea from (other than just trying to find something to give bad press about) that the audience member was directing that comment to Obama or suggesting someone should assasinate him? Sure, it sounds like something everyone could get all hot over, IF it were to be directed at Obama. I don't think anyone would argue (although I personally don't condone killing anyone) that Bill Ayers is a crook and would deserve such a thing since he is acused of being involved in so many terrorist acts. It is no secret that he is an evil person and is no secret that Obama has ties to this man. Furthermore, we all need to accept the fact that each candidate has no control over what an audience member (or supporter) may belt out during a speech. For that matter, you could have people "planted" in crowds - just for the purpose of making that candidate look bad because of hostile supporters at their gatherings. They do not personally know every person there just like we do not know everyone who was there. Like I said, anniepa.....let's don't make judgements concerning what we know or probably DO NOT know about people out in a big crowd who may have made unkind remarks. They were there, but to say that it was "disgraceful behavior by McCain/Palin supporters" would be a stretch. More than that, I think this has been blown way out of proportion - in that Obama was not who this derrogatory remark was even made about. It shouldn't ever be said about anyone, but I think I would make an acception for Bill Ayers -- and wouldn't make any apologies. Why haven't the candidates addressed these issues you are asking about??? Probably because they AREN'T real issues at all. [soldierswife68]
Rofl gramps. I don't know if you believe what you write or you just like to stir the pot. So, the weathermen went to great lengths not to hurt people? Really? Because they now claim that? Well if you can't believe a terrorist , who can you believe? right? As to the weathermen who blew themselves up. They did so because they had somehow obtained a quantity of military grade plastic explosive. These geniuses decided to soften it up by hitting it with a hammer. :) Best work they ever did imho. If you don't want to wind up in debates regarding Christianity, don't bring it up. I'm not a Chirstian but I have studied the religion and I notice that so many people who say Christians are acting un-christian like have no knowledge of Christianity. Seems a common mindset amongst anti-Christians. [firewind451]
as much as I am utterly disgusted by this im not even surprised...they are republicans so...yeah i guess Lord or whoever made humankind forgot to gift them with brains when they were created unfortunately...they are stuck in the paleolithic, still thinking that theo nly way to get rid of the enemy is to kill them...Palin is a disgrace to the female gender...honestly...i hate her from the heart seriusly... [JoMarch]
hi anniepa that same old racism is still with us today and it really makes me sick. those shouted words and the sit down boy are disgusting and make fools out of all of us. we hear them and dont do anything about it.No damned election is worth tearing each other to pieces. I do believe a lot of objections to obama simply cover up the fact that there are still negro haters here in our free democracy in 2008. Now dont get bent out of shape as I am a white person but I do not condone racism at all ever. [Hatley]
I'm with you 100%, Hatley, and I'm also a white person and I also hate racism. Annie [anniepa]
I read about that today, too. I don't remember that it was a campaign worker who called the cameraman "boy", but I do remember the audience turned on the media who were there and attacked them. She apparently did nothing to stop it or to try to stop it. This is the new hate-filled mindset in this country and this is why we need to GET AWAY from this. We cannot have this continuing to be looked at as acceptable!! And, four more years will only cement it into the culture of America more than it is already!! There is so much hate in this world - why do WE have to encourage it, promote it, or exhibit it? Aren't we supposed to be ABOVE IT??? At least, we used to try to be. I think we've lost that empathy or even the ability to feel empathy. [jerzgirl]
I can't even allow myself to think about four more years of this! How will the kids of the future grow up to feel, will they just accept it as "normal" and pass it along? I don't get what the Palin supporters hate so much about the media to begin with. It's not the media's fault she refused to give any interviews for so long or that she made an a$$ of herself when she finally did! I forgot - Charlie and Katie asked those awful "gotcha" questions...lol! Annie [anniepa]
Hi Annie I just want to say that I too am very disgusted by this...This election is getting very scarey and im afraid it will get worst before its gets better. [thickchic]
I read the article and it seems to me that the "Kill him' remark was directed towards Ayers not OBama. That said both camps need to make clear statements about what their supporters are saying. Not that that will happen. [firewind451]
Holy Moly.... fire claims he's an independent... I'm not so sure that he doesn't have the big "R" branded on his butt and has been trying to get it off but just can't quite do it. I voted republican in the primary election and had a lot of respect of John McCain. However, I have changed my mind for several reasons. One being that he chose Palin just to try and get the votes that were going to Hillary. He didn't care about the citizens of this country, all he cared about was picking up those votes and getting elected. But what really changed my mind about him was the consistent running of the ads touting the fact that he was a POW and trying to use that to get the sympathy vote. I was stationed with a Sgt that survived the "Bataan Death March" and was held in confinement in a Japanese prison camp. His name was Red Barton, I don't know his first name but everyone just called him "Red". He had scars on his face and other parts of his body where he was tortured. He never once tried to use that fact to gain favors and would never speak about his interment exept to say it was rough or bad. Let's talk about how John McCain ditched his first wife when he returned. She was a model and a beautiful lady before being in an auto accident. They had 3 children that she card for by herself when he was gone. It didn't take him long to divorce her and marry another beauty named Cindy Hensley. I would think just that alone would destroy his reputation with most women and wives in America. Cindy Hensley's father was tied in with the mafia while he was building his li..quor business. John McCain admitted to being a gambler. I believe he gambled and lost when he picked "Piranha Palin" as a running mate. I may have that name tag wrong for her, I know she liked being called some kind of fish. In reality she is nothing but an "attack dog". Hitler used to stand up before the German people and spout off all of his lies in order to fire up the German People, now she is being used for the same thing. Sorry if I stepped on your toes fire, but that is the way you appear to most people on this board. [iriscot]
That comment was made about Ayers not Obama. Like a previous poster said, one can't control what their supporters say. And like a previous poster said, you need to condemn those who are making young kids sing the praises of Obama. That's sickening as well. Neither side is pristeen in this election. [starr4all]
The protester is an idiot who should be arrested. Free speech does not mean you can go around threatening people. As far as Obama's "friendship" with Ayers, that was a long time ago. Ayers isn't in jail now, Obama wasn't aware of his past. If you want to get down and dirty, then why don't you comment about McCain's sleazy associates? Why do people talk about 2 people Obama knew but fail to mention McCain's Keating 5. Both men have had some association with a few shady people. Obama's were less close than McCain's and yet, the McCain people are shouting from the rooftops while they are standing on a very fragile glass house. [the_vicar]
Considering the websites this report was on, you can't be sure it really even happened. Palin did make comments, as have I, about Obama's relationship with a domestic terrorist who bombed buildings here in the US, and recently said his "only regret" is "that we didn't do more". I think it is right to bring up these relationships, and should have been done sooner. As far as the cries of Kill Him, that was by someone in the audience, if it happened at all. Yes, it bothers me, just like it bothered me when the Republican convention was disturbed by the pink ladies. But there are so many people like that in the world today, what can we do? Palin didn't say anything that would make a normal person shout Kill Him! I seriously doubt the part about Sit down, boy. There have been a lot of people trying to make McCain appear to be a serious racist lately, but it is not true, and they have provide no real evidence. I don't understand why people can't just disagree on issues, on approach to dealing with problems, instead of this kind of sleazy stuff. Like the accusations going all over the internet within a day or so of the announcement that Palin would be McCain's running mate, saying that she really didn't have her last baby, but claimed it to be hers because it was really her daughter's. That was so nasty and uncalled for! There was no reason whatsoever to start those rumors, and then they got worse from there. I just don't understand what people are thinking nowadays. [thedogshrink]
It did happen; I saw the footage. [MoonlightSerenade]
Palin knows exactly what she is doing. You don't go around saying things like she has said without knowing you are bringing out the psychos. You know what I think; McCain is disgusting, but she is even more disgusting. She loves the job as the b1tch with lipstick, or was that bullsh1tter? Hmm....anyway, she loves the job of doing her man's dirty work. Tonight, everyone was expecting McCain to do a lot of that himself. Since he didn't, I can only surmise that her's are bigger than his. [CherylsPearls]
i also take it as being directed towards Ayers. not that it makes it any better of course. still...the candidates SHOULD have said something..anything that denounces this mind-set. a lot of ppl are treading the "line" of who to vote for (me included) and its the stupid things like NOT denying this that could very well be the deciding factor for a number of ppl. i certainly hope this is a very small group of ppl that feel this overzealous, but something tells me there are more in the overzealous column than we think. [CinderInMySoul]
Annie, I was so upset after seeing the people shouting those things, I was in tears and shaking. They are trying to appeal to the lowest of the low in human emotions, and we are seeing the result. And it is NOT winning them the independent votes they need to get regardless. They need to back off before somebody gets hurt. Independent voters have gotten to know Obama during his long campaign and these debates. They have seen him. They know he is no wild eyed radical who wants to harm his country. So what they're doing is only getting a very negative response that can lead to nowhere but disaster. It's dangerous, and can only hurt the reputation of John McCain. [MoonlightSerenade]
The secret Service was standing right there and they didn't hear a thing. No one reported anything to law enforcement either. [morethanamolehill]
I agree, this is terrible. I don't have much I can say besides this but how bad can you get. And racist. [danrunsfast614]
Has this been on any real news? I haven't heard it. Nor have I heard those cries when I've listened to the rallies on Fox News...where they show the entire parts of her talks where she's pointing out Obama's ties to Ayers. [kenzie45230]
I've seen it on both NBC and CBS news broadcasts. [MoonlightSerenade]
What have you heard about the obama camp? Or do you not care? Playing devil's advocate. I love you annie and you know I am voting for a third party candidate. But all of this does interest me because I KNOW that one of these men will be my next president. But I cannot believe that the mccain camp is so bad and the obama camp so good. In truth, the reason that I voted for bill clinton was because of his words in a debate with George Bush. He said, "I agree with what he did before and after the war. I don't agree with what he did after." This spoke honesty to me. I see neither of the candidates being honest. I see only politics. [cyntrow]
I have to tell you that I hate Palin. I'm neutral on McCain and Obama but they both bother me for various reasons. i like Biden but liking the Vp and not the pres candidate is not enough reason for me to vote for the ticket. I love your reply to my questions and I expected nothing less from you. Your candor and honesty are fantastic. You tell it like you see it and I can greatly respect that. I wish the politicians would be as forthcoming. LOL [cyntrow]
It's one side and then the other.. just last month it was the Democratic party all up into Sarah's business trying to do character assassinations... it's politics.. and if someone yells "kill him" that isn't her saying it .. nor is it McCain saying it. And with all that has been said about Obama up till now I have concerns about him also. I am really uneasy about him. I'm really afraid he will turn out to be another Hitler. Hitler was the people's choice also and look how that turned out. [OreoCookie3]
The Democrats have not been as "up in people's business" and projecting lies as the Republicans have been. McCain seems to be taking his campaign tactics straight from George Bush. Bush used his "I'm a God fearing man" tactic to win over voters and beat John Kerry. How else could a man who had lost all the money Clinton had left when he stepped down in 2 years and had turned this country into what it is today be re-elected for a second time? Now, before I get attacked, I am a true believer of God and I'll tell anyone that, however, I am against someone using their religion as a way to try to get into other people's good graces. That being said, McCain is trying the same thing, only this time he's using "I'm a true American" while trying to get everyone to believe that Obama is some terrorist who is going to take over the country. I have to agree with whoever said if Obama was truly a terrorist or a threat to this country, he wouldn't be a Senator now. Okay, so he might not have the best tastes in "friends" in some of your opinions. However, with the economy the way it is now, I would be very worried about McCain's choice of "friends", i.e. Charles Keating who left taxpayers with one of the biggest debts ever due to S&L fraud. Politics is definitely a dirty business. No politician out there is going to tell 100% truth. However, John McCain has definitely been lying more than Obama, or at least has been caught in more lies. The biggest lie that came out of the man's mouth was his ad campaign where he showed Obama playing Basketball supposedly "in a gym not taking time to visit the soldiers". Obama had stopped in Kuwait at the first of his tour and was planning on visiting wounded soldiers at the end, however, he was informed he better not be trying to take cameras into the building. Andrea Mitchell, a CNN correspondent and a McCain supporter (at the time anyway, I think she changed her mind after this since she made it clear that she was very disappointed in John McCain for being so dishonest)was with Obama at this time. Not only did she disprove Obama's not caring about the soldiers by pointing out that not once had Obama mentioned taking cameras with him and that after talking to his people, they decided McCain would try to make it look like Obama was just using the soldiers to get votes so they decided not to go but also said that the very footage they had used for the ad saying that Obama didn't care about the soldiers was actually footage that was shot in Kuwait while playing basketball with a soldier. Sure, we expect politicians to lie. As I said before, none of them are 100% honest, but of course, nobody really is. However, the ads and during the debates have turned me into an Obama supporter. At least he answers the questions instead of running around pointing fingers and completely losing sight of the question that was asked. And no one can dispute any of the ads that he has put up against McCain. Can the same thing be said of McCain? Read above and you'll see the answer is no. [xandercordy1]
I just read that McCain and Palin left the Ayers reference out in their stump appearance today. I don't know whether it was because McCain didn't want to be personally associated with or if they have dropped it entirely. [MoonlightSerenade]
The reason that they left Ayers out of their stump appearance today is because it's not working. There are too many issues facing the American people than to worry about what some guy did when Barack Obama was 8 years old. The American people were "Swift Boated" during the previous 2 elections and now they we are paying the price for electing one of the worse Presidents in American history. There is no doubt in my mind that both Al Gore or John Kerry would have done a better job than George Bush. Lloyd [lloydanthony111]
After reading all the responses here annie, I think what has bothered me most is not the fact that some ignorant jag offs at different rallies yelled "terrorist" or "kill him", but that nothing was said by the Republican candidates to stop it. They have been riling up the crowds with their false accusations and inflammatory words and it appears they are condoning the remarks being yelled out by laughing or nodding their heads. It was apparent that McCain heard the man yell "terrorist" after he asked who the "real Obama is", but he sat back and did nothing! It's a disgraceful representation, and I for one would like to hear what their excuse for not putting a stop to it was. [soccermom]
Okay, Mole, I read the article in its entirety. Of course reading the words written out in front of me and hearing them spoken at a rally are two very different things. However, I will say that based on what I read, I don't think the Sheriff necessarilly meant anything by it, but nevertheless, we can not ignore that the reactions from the crowd were very scary indeed. [devylan]
Those people scare me. I know that there's technically nothing that McCain/Palin can do to control what their supporters say, but they could at least say "Hey, everyone, we disagree with other candidates, but we DO NOT wish them death." It was Palin's audience that turned to the media and started yelling obscenities at them after she mentioned her Couric interview. As a journalism student, that terrified me. They've managed to convince their followers that the media is evil. Palin botched that interview. Don't blame the press. [bwaybaby]
Very well put. [devylan]
I've been looking into this story and let me say up front, IF it's true, and that's a big bold IF, Then Sarah should have called out the person who said it. No doubt about it. Having said that, It sounds like bullsh!t to me. I followed your story back to the source. Something you never seem to do, annie. It seems to be this blog on the Washington Post. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/06/in_fla_palin_goes_for_the_roug.html This story says that the remark was made right after Palin described the NYT article about Ayers Blowing stuff up. In the comments on that article I found a link to another blog. Even though I hate to give this blog any Publicity at all, Here is his take on it. http://www.congratstothewinners.com/2008/10/secret-service-investigating-kill-him.html Notice the picture he has there. He seems to be saying that the crowd is chanting "KILL HIM KILL HIM" And that Palin Responded with, "Boy you guys just get it". Which is, Apparently, how The Nation reported it. He also says, about the Secret Service, Who would have been between Palin and the crowd, "...no agents at the event heard anything. "The Secret Service did not hear any threatening statements directed at targets under its protection and no threatening statements were reported to us by law enforcement or citizens at the event,"[Secret Service spokesman Malcolm] Wiley [said].Also unclear: whether the remark was directed at Obama or Ayers if the words were actually "kill" and "him." So the Secret Service, Who are trained to spot things of this nature, Didn't hear anything, and No one reported it to police. So I went to trusty old YouTube to find the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIxRKjcbbBY Now, I have watched and listened to this video many times and I do not hear anyone say these things. I do not hear Sarah Palin say,"Boy you guys just get it". I also do not see any reaction from Sarah that would indicate she heard it. The SS didn't hear it, No One reported it to Law Enforcement. So why am I supposed to believe it? But then, there doesn't seem to be a lot of need for actual truth on the left these days. If it is damaging and it's what the 'bots want to hear, it gets published. To me this sounds like censorship by intimidation. The Left wants Palin to STFU about this relationship. But have you ever noticed how the media just skims the surface on Obama/Ayers? "He served on two boards with Ayers" Truth is Ayers Appointed Obama CHAIRMAN of the Annenburg Challenge, Which gave hundreds of millions of $$$$ to ACORN and other groups. ACORN was regularly represented by a young Attorney named... Barack Obama. Money that was supposed to be helping schools in Chicago. Remember those schools. The ones that were so bad the kids Bussed themSELVES out. Chicago has some of the worst schools in the country. But, The worse the schools are the more gub'mint money they can get. Here is a little more in depth information about Ayers/Obama/ACORN http://justsaynodeal.com/acorn.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NmaZIdz6Vo In BOTH Presidential Debates, Obama lead off with Blaming Bush for the current "crisis" In the financial market. He says that the problem has been with deregulation. He says over and over that McCain has supported Deregulation and that is what has caused the collapse of the housing market. What he fails to mention is that the Democrats have continually Opposed and blocked That Deregulation. Obama even said himself in the last debate that the bill McCain supported "Failed". Supporting something isn't going to change a thing if it never happens. Now, You can thank me for doing your research for you, I'll collect my 2 cents for this post and "Move On". I have other things to do. [morethanamolehill]
annie, how can you ask if it was "appropriate behavior" when it NEVER HAPPENED? It did not happen. It happened not. es geschah nicht. het gebeurde niet no sucedió. de? s???ß?. ??? ???? ???. non è accaduto. Ele didn' t acontece. ??? ?? ?????????. (Thank you babelfish) I don't know how many more ways to say it. The Secret Service was RIGHT THERE and they didn't hear anything. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement investigated it. The FBI has investigated it. What more do you want. I have not heard or seen a single video that corroborates this story. If you would have read my comment and clicked on the links I provided you would have known that. Now there was a story about the same thing happening in Scranton, Pa. http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/articles/2008/10/14/news/doc48f4ba8994588930223377.txt And a story about the Secret Service Finding no evidence that it happened. http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/articles/2008/10/16/news/sc_times_trib.20081016.a.pg11.tt16newsecret_s1.2018812_top8.txt But of course the "newspaper stands by its story." This is the worst kind of smear campaign. It's vile. And Obama brought it up during the debate. He should have repudiated this kind of smear campaign on his behalf. Just like he should have repudiated ACORN for voter registration fraud. But since they both benifit him and all he cares about is winning, that will never happen. There is a retired Federal Judge in PA that is saying that there is no way PA can get a fair Election. Check my page for the discussion I stated on this. And while you are at it look at this story about a Nobel Peace Prize winner telling a class full of kids "Right now, I would love to kill George Bush." http://rue-st-michel.blogspot.com/2006/07/nobel-laureate-i-want-to-kill-bush.html And these various pics I found with a simple google search. http://www.thepeoplescube.com/images/rallies/Bush_is_the_disease_punks_3531.jpg http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j290/whiteriot1975/kill_bush.jpg http://www.duncancumming.co.uk/photos/bcn0271.jpg http://www.theodoresworld.net/pcfreezone/vile5.jpg And let's not forget the kids. http://thepeoplescube.com/images/KillBush_Kids_180.jpg [morethanamolehill]
Its just the beginning of a hate campaign - and the true colors of the so called hardcore "neo-conservative" Republicans are now gradually being exposed. Naturally, with the kind of notorious campaign advisers who are advising these two Republican candidates, you can expect the worst yet to come. Now they are resorting to "painting the White House Black" slogan which clearly is a racist retort - and you can imagine what's next! I am certain that after being fooled by the politicians for the past eight years, the American voters are now more mature and immune to this kind of rhetoric - and will vote intelligently this time. They have just two options - either let McCain and Palin to push them on their downhill ride or get someone else to stop the slide and carry them back uphill. Yes, it will certainly be an "uphill" task - but together the American people supported by Obama and Biden, will prevail. [DEVONECO]
No the hate campaign began when Obam said "They are going to try to scare you about me". And they have been smearing the "Neo-Cons ever since. [morethanamolehill]
I urge people to read response #23. This whole incident seems to be the work of political operatives trying to work up sentiment against McCain - Palin. People quick to anger are just the kind 0bama is looking for. Go to response #23 and check out the links, read what they say. Ask yourself why you are so quick to believe nonsense. Are you one of those people whose emotions can be inflamed by liars? Prove you are not by carefully considering response #23. [redyellowblackdog]
I'm kinda confused actually. I mean I've been waiting for angry mobs...but not in politics, not in this election. I mean sheezus, where is all this coming from? It's like people are crazier this election year...people've been telling me "Nah"...but with angry crowds of people attending political rallies...I kinda have to disagree at this point. It's frightening. Weird times, I think, we live in. If I were holding the McCain/Palin campaign to a high standard, I would've been disappointed that they haven't said anything about this...but...bleh. [xParanoiax]
They didn't say anything about it because it never happened. The secret service was there and never heard it. They investigated the claim thoroughly and couldn't find anyone beyond the one lone reporter who made the original claim. [Taskr36]
It has gone further than that Annie. They are talking of flaying Obama's kids, using N-word and all that. Racism is rearing its ugly head in McCain's crowd and that is not the John McCain I know. Now, most of the crowd are OK but this few people are way off the line and are getting away with it. I just started a similar discussion too... [PreetSG]
Funny how you never managed to provide a single source. Looks like you were lying and hid when you were called on it. [Taskr36]
Wow. Well, for some reason I don't think they're really concerned with the African-American vote. That's all I have to say. [devylan]
yes i heard this on cnn and i think its just rude people to be acting this way in the 21st century this kind of stuff should have been left in the 20th but this is humanity what can you do people never change. [amoisan]
I've been sitting here reading all of these responses....and I have to say that the most mature and sensible of them ALL seem to be backed up with links or facts to at least show that it's not hear-say or just a random rumor. The other 99% are just downright childish and comical as you go back and forth spewing disapproval and hate on McCain and Palin -- while defending Obama's right to be respected and not judged. What bothers me the most is those of you who take this one incident ("kill him!" - directed at Ayers)SO VERY PERSONAL (as if it were said about you or a close family member), are the same ones who see NOTHING wrong with killing innocent babies through abortion. And mind you, hundred, thousands and probably millions of babies have been killed since this post was started, but the only concern you have is taking up for a grown man who should be able to care for himself - without your help - especially if he plans to be president. Kids on a playground say worse to oneanother on a daily basis (and you know you've probably said words of this sort at some point in your life, as well). I'm not saying that you would have actually killed anyone or that it's a good thing to say, but you would be lying if you think you've never said or thought those words (yes, that is just as bad) at one time or another. Good grief, people....GET OVER IT! Some are taking this WAY too personal. If you think it's silly for Obama's past to be brought up or the fact that he has 3 muslim names, as well as him being of a MIXED (not black) race and people being prejudice, then get off of crap like this! You are doing the same exact thing by trying to put out HATE with more HATE. What makes sense about that??? Would you put out a fire by tossing a little more FIRE on there??? No candidate has the time nor the responsibility to "baby-sit" the crowd of which they speak to. They are there for ONE REASON and that is to state their views -- not go around policing everyone else. Yes, there are crazy people out there, but let me assure you.....This ONE PERSON at a McCain/Palin rally is not the ONLY one. You probably should be more concerned about a next door neighbor who is possibly planning to kill you or the crazed bag boy at the grocery store who will jump you in the parking lot because he thinks you winked at him. I tell my kids this all of the time (when they are constantly nagging about "look what he did....she's this or she's that.....they're not as good as me....blah, blah, blah) It has pretty much been proven to work well: "DO NOT BE CONCERNED WITH EVERYONE ELSE......WORRY ABOUT YOUR OWN SELF!" While it is true that we all are concerned about the direction our country will take after this election, it is also true that we cannot control either candidate or what has happened in the past. WE SHOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT OUR OWN SELVES.... If we were PRAYING about the issues and these people just HALF AS MUCH as we are bickering over them, things would probably work out just fine. By taking care of our own issues, fears and doubts, it just might be that this world will be better off -- no matter WHO ends up in the White House. We have to be prepared to deal with it either way. Right? [soldierswife68]
It bothers me very, very much. I know that when a campaign is going on there is going to be some form of mud-slinging. However, when you label someone as a "terrorist" in America after what happened on 9/11, I believe you are Painting a huge target on that person's back. Especially if this person has already been labeled a Muslim and is half black and is running for President of the United States. I knew that with the election Drawing near to the end and the McCain/Palin ticket getting worried about closing the large gap in the numbers that there would be much more mud-slinging. However, McCain and Palin have gone over the top. If they want to attack Barack Obama about his thinking about economic or war issues, okay. If they want to point out that he is young and might not have a lot of experience, okay. If they want to point out that Obama had a hand in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, okay. We (and I'm sure Obama) expect that. However, when it gets this personal it is not only a big turn off for all undecided voters but it's also dangerous for Obama, his wife and their children. It only takes one frenzied, crazy person to do or try the unthinkable. Lots of people compare Barack and Michelle Obama to John F. Kennedy and his wife, Jackie. They keep saying the Obama children will be the youngest in the White House, if elected, since John-John and Caroline Kennedy. I was only 3 years old when John Kennedy was assassinated, but I remember hearing my mother and grandmother weeping in front of the television and wondering why. As the years went on and they showed the shooting over and over, along with John, Jr. saluting his father's casket as it went by, I was truly saddened. My father died when I was 9 so I felt empathy for the Kennedy children, just as I would for the Obama children if something were to happen to their father. I pray that this won't happen and am happy to see John McCain and Sarah Palin backing off a little, McCain even defending Obama by saying, "he's an honest, decent man who I happen to disagree with", or something like that. Obama graciously thanked McCain for doing so and returned the compliment. McCain ended up getting booed at his own rally for trying to stop people from being so hard on Obama. Do I feel sorry for McCain? No, I don't. If he and his campaign people hadn't started this whole "mob lynch mentality" by inciting anger and fear, watching and listening as their supporters yelled, "kill him!" and "Take his head off!" (referring to Obama) then they wouldn't be facing the frenzy monster they have created. So no sympathy from me. [xandercordy1]
They are now disallowing the press from interviewing attendees at Palin rallies. http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1750638.aspx [MoonlightSerenade]
Amazing the way they are running that campaign. They keep the press confined to the press box now, they don't want them getting close or interviewing ralliers. I started a thread about it: http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1750638.aspx [MoonlightSerenade]
I will be responding to your thread later on when I get finished checking my emails but I'm glad you told me that. I didn't know they had stopped them from doing those videos but I can certainly see why. I am not saying that all McCain/Palin supporters are like that but it seemed to me that most of them were yelling terrible things and were pretty heated up. It was really very scary to watch. Thanks for letting me know about that. I agree with you about the way they are running the campaign. Now that they have the press out of there, I wonder what the rallies are really like now? [xandercordy1]
I know this is an old thread Annie, but I stumbled on it so I'd like to point our that the claims of "Kill Him" were completely unfounded. The secret service was there, as the are at all such rallies, and none of them heard any of this yelled. They thoroughly investigated it and the only person who claims to have heard the words "kill him" was the reporter who wrote about it and he never reported it to the Secret Service. I know the liberals wanted to believe it without question, but it's a lie. http://www.timesleader.com/news/breakingnews/Secret_Service_says_Kill_him_allegation_unfounded_.html http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/10/16/2008-10-16_at_palin_rally_reporter_hears_threat_to_.html http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/16/report-secret-service-says-kill-allegations-palin-rally-unfounded/ [Taskr36]
Iris, I've also witnessed many disgusting conversations like that in my lifetime and I never know whether to open my mouth or to keep it shut. It seems that during the election people like that seemed to grow an extra set, if you know what I mean, and suddenly people who would never normally talk that way were joining in the hate talk. Let's hope it eventually stops now! Annie [anniepa]