Deinonychus antirrhopus

But the real question is this, my friend:
Can the president succesfully sketch a pair of birthing stirrups if he is only allowed to view an actual set for 15 seconds, and only on the day prior to when he shall commence sketching? And before 12pm?

Surely the skills displayed in such an activity would be indications of, or indications against, flying skill.

WHAT? What does sketching birthing stirrups have to do with being a pilot?

Uhhmmm Monty that's the point...nothing. Just as it is questionable what Bush did or didn't do in the TANG 35 years ago probably has nothing to do with Bush as President. Like how Clinton's behavior during Vietnam had little to do with him doing his job as President.

Me thinks Burkett is heading for the pen.
Bush will wait until after he wins in Nov., and then Burkett will be toast.

He said he saw the 2-page counseling document in the wastecan. Do you think he recreated the CBS documents from memory?

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"Like how Clinton's behavior during Vietnam had little to do with him doing his job as President."

There is a certain persistence about the notion that what you did when you were younger is indicative of what kind of man you are now. I should say certain kinds of things are much more troubling ... dishonesty, self aggrandizement, fabricating war stories, claiming medals you don't deserve, betraying your country in a time of war, etc. It's more of a problem for Kerry than Bush.

Just at the time Bush was getting off reserve duty (even if we give them that) what was Kerry doing? Heading up the Viet Nam Vetrans Against the War and getting decorated for his "service" by the North Vietnamese.

Huh?

Political pulpit writes: "As Dan Rather pointed out last night, everyone is focusing on the authenticity of the documents themselves, not the content of the documents which can be substantiated in more than one other source"

The problem with Dan's self-serving nonsense is twofold. The first is that the documents were forged to lend credibility to the content which had little to none without the imprimateur of Killian and secondly, that the forgery itself is important news - revealing as it does Rather's essential dishonesty, complicity in criminal conduct to influence an election and unfitness for the nation's airwaves.

Dan Rather must resign.

Hmmm...looks like Political Pulpit got picked up by MT-Blacklist. Curious, it was a danish site I was trying to get rid of.

Sorry about that Political Pulpit, I don't know why your url was picked up by MT-Blacklist, I didn't add it. I see your website is a blog. The spam site I did add to Blacklist was feinkost[dot]gelago[dot]de. It also picked up yours as well and deleted them.

I watched a segment on PBS on the News Hour about this...some editor from New Yorker and some journalism professor from Duke.

Basically, they said that basing a story on bogus documents is bad journalism (really?), but they also try to point the viewer to the story. The professor compared it to when Food Lion got busted for putting clorox on expired meat and then changing the expiration dates...if you recall it was a set up by 20/20.

They also say the whole story of bogus memos is played up by the Republicans. New Yorker guy said Fox News and the blogs are treating this like Watergate...but, he said, in Watergate, Nixon lied...does anyone really think that CBS and Dan Rather would deliberately put out false memos? Said he...

well, I do. I think that's exactly what they did.

BTW, I suggest an area to cut back on the deficit should be to eliminate federal funds directed to PBS.

Basically, the Democratic symp line is that its OK to lie and forge documents to get Bush. These people are living down to my worse expectations.

Rick Brady, someone who wanted to take the effort could review the Bush military documents released in 2000 and later and "recreate the CBS documents" or something different.

How about a series of documents showing Killian and Knox had it in for Bush after his transfer to the 9921st was denied. Maybe a few MFRs from Major Martin (who did the recordkeeping on the AF Form 190s used to track members credit for AD and UTA days). Two would be memos recording phone calls from 187th indicating Bush had shown up for the UTAs in Oct and Nov 72, the third would be a CYA memo indicating Lt Col Killian had ordered Martin not to credit Bush for those days.

Or maybe something more mundane, like a file copy of letter from Capt Lott of the 187th Tac Recon Gp to the 147th Ftr Intcp Gp recording Bush showing up for the Oct and Nov UTAs, discovered in the back of a file cabinet purchased from militay surplus. Maybe the letter didn't make it through the mail from AL to TX, so the 187th never credited Bush with those days.

Those scenarios are fake, but the names, dates and unit designations are correct and come straight from the available PDFS. I'm sure, since it's been 30 years, somebody could round up the names of people who are now dead but were in the 187th in a position to have been the one to notify the 147th of Bush's attendance and forge a memo or letter from them to the effect that Bush was there. If the Bush people were going to forge any documents, that would be the one to forge.

(That last line is not to suggest Rick Brady accused the Bush people of forging documents in his comment, he didn't.)

Lynxx:

Actually, this raises an interesting set of questions:

1. From what you're saying, one could create "fake but accurate memoes" to support the line that Dubya served the time necessary to get his points. Hey, he has the pay records, points, and discharge, right?

2. To what level of evidence do we expect the press to hold itself? Probably not courtroom (life isn't a courtroom), so it's not quite "Innocent until proven guilty." But it can't be from whole cloth, either.

3. At what point does bias tell us what is "real" evidence and not? If a potential juror can be dismissed for likely bias, and evidence can be accepted or rejected, regardless of flimsiness, due to bias, should the press start recusing itself (unlikely), or at least making CLEAR what it's own biases are?

The REAL question is who the heck is Geroge Bush?

I understand that under Texas law, forging documents in a case like this is a crime. If Burkett did it then could he could be brought to trial along with CBS in Texas? Avoiding the criminal prosecution of Burkett or whoever and CBS is the only good reason I can see that CBS is stonewalling. Someone in Texas should arrest and charge Burkett and CBS and then we will be able to get to the bottom of this.