This article suggests that the boycott of the Kansas Kangaroo Court is due to weakness.
Another witness, Charles Thaxton, who lives near Atlanta but is a visiting assistant professor of chemistry at the Charles University in the Czech Republic, said the boycott is a sign of weakness."They've lost so many debates over the years, even their own supporters say, 'Don't do it,'" he said.
Science is determined by who wins a debate. Mr. Thaxton should be ashamed of himself for even suggesting something like that. Science depends on the evidence and the evidence in favor of the Theory of Evolution (ToE) is overwhelming.
Creationists like to claim there are no transistional fossils. This is flalse. Archaeopteryx is a transitional fossil. Archaeopteryx has features found on both dinosaurs and reptiles. Then there are the jaws of early mamal-like reptiles (Pelycosaurs) up through primative mamals (Morganucodon) in the jurassic (Talk Origins has a nifty picture showing the progression here). Does the picture show every single step? No. Why not? Well because fossil formation is a rare event not a common one. Also, these fossils have to be found. So, is the fact that there are gaps in the fossil record shocking? No, not at all. We should expect it. So this claim by Creationists is just outright deception. They are relying on the ignorance of people to score a debate point.
The problem for the biologists/scientist that wants to argue in favor of the ToE is that it is a complicated thing. Putting such a debate into a court room style setting is not a good move for the proponents of science. Court rooms have not been very good venues for arriving at good scientific conclusions.
The most fantastic verdict recorded so far was worthy of a tabloid: With the backing of "expert" testimony from a doctor and police department officials, a soothsayer who decided she had lost her psychic powers following a CAT scan persuaded a Philadelphia jury to award her $1 million. The trial judge threw out that verdict. But scientific frauds of similar character if lesser audacity are attempted almost daily in our courts, and many succeed. The traumatic cancer cases are decades old, but the others are recent.
On top of this, all three of the Board of Education members on this "court" are either anti-evolution or have introduced creationists standards. So even participating wouldn't have helped. At least this way when the "jury" comes in with a verdict in favor of intelligent design, it will be a somewhat hollow victory.
Update: This article underscores the bias inherent in this "court".
Three board members, including Morris, presided at the hearings. Kathy Martin, of Clay Center, said she had d looked over the entire evolution-friendly document but not read it "word for word."
Indeed, she wouldn't read it word for word. She already knows that evolution is wrong.
Also, this post at Red State Rabble is interesting. Particularly this part:
As the Kansas science hearings progress last week in Topeka, Science Coalition attorney Pedro Irigonegaray had an increasingly had time getting intelligent design witnesses to express an opinion about the age of the earth.
But of course. You see, many of the neo-Creationists (intelligent design proponents) are either young earth creationists (the earth is only 6,000 or so years old and definitely not billions) or they don't want to risk losing support of those in the public who are young earth creationists.
Also, note one other implication of that post. Intelligent Design and neo-Creationism calls into question not only evolutionary theory, but physics and chemistry as well.
All rocks and minerals contain minute amounts of radioactive material. These radioactive elements are unstable, over time they spontaneously decay into more stable stable atoms. This decay occurs at a constant rate specific to each isotope -- isotopes are different forms of a single element that have the same number of protons but different numbers of neutrons in their nuclei. The rate of decay is usually described in terms of a half-lifeUranium 238, for example, has a half life of 4.5 billion years. It decays into a stable daughter product, lead 206. Uranium 235, with a half life of 708 million years, decays into lead 207. By looking at the ratio of parent to daughter isotope, geologist can determine the age of the rock. By looking at the ratio between both Uranium 238 and Uranium 235 and their respective daughter isotopes, geologists get a check on the date of the rock they are testing.
There are only two ways out of this problem.:
Neither is particularly palatable, but most will go with number 1. This is why Intelligent Design and Creationism in general is anti-science. It is "science" that must conform with religious dogma.
Posted by Steve at May 8, 2005 01:54 PM | TrackBackThere is no "trickster god"; rather, it is Satan that put those misleading fossils and other evidence in place to get us to embrace secular humanism. That's my theory, but I haven't found a way to prove it yet. If I could get a big enough grant from one of those ID or Creationist groups, I am sure that I could come up with a research design. I am toying with the idea that certain isotopes are "Satanic signatures" and that detection of these can be a proxy for the devil's handiwork. I do not have any training in biology, but I am hoping that this will not be an obstacle.
Posted by: Vache Folle on May 9, 2005 07:34 AMThis comes to mind (well worth the download, but in text form here).
Posted by: Matt McIntosh on May 9, 2005 08:17 AMHave you read the book of Job? God's not above being a total jerk to the faithful just to prove points to Satan, I'm sure he'd be more than willing to toss some fossils around to fool the unbelievers. If he existed, that is.
Posted by: Timothy on May 9, 2005 01:07 PMMatt, I thought the Biblically derived age of the world was closer to 6,000 years, not 12,000 years as your linked piece says. Isaac Newton spent the latter part of his life on this project, done via analyzing the 'begats,' and he gave some remarkably precise date for Creation, something like 2 o'clock in the afternoon (probably GMT), a given date, and about 5400 BC or something.
Posted by: sofla on May 9, 2005 04:23 PMI thought that was Bishop Ussher that came up with the 6000 year old earth. Note the date: Newton was 16 at the time.
Posted by: Slartibartfast on May 9, 2005 05:54 PM6000 is the more commonly cited figure, yeah. Bill got the number of years wrong, but that in no way makes the bit less funny (way funnier in audio than text). The "prankster god" line remined me of it.
Posted by: Matt McIntosh on May 9, 2005 06:10 PMThe problem with ID is that, overall, it is no more acceptable to an Ussher-influenced Southern Baptist than Darwinian evolution. The Southern Baptists I know who are the most learned about Creation hold rigidly to the Creation date of 4004 BC and would consider a Creation date of 6000BC or 10,000 BC false and unacceptable. And that's a problem with that sort of approach - pull out one brick and the whole structure collapses.
Stan Bussey
Slarti, I remember now that Bishop Ussher's work was often cited for the 'young earth' age. Perhaps Newton didn't find it entirely convincing, and wanted to re-do it, although I don't know he came up with anything much different.
Posted by: sofla on May 10, 2005 05:15 PMIt wouldn't surprise me at all if it turned out that Newton felt compelled to check the work.
Posted by: Slartibartfast on May 11, 2005 06:20 AMSteve, I'm just as avid a follower of Evol.Theory as you (although not as vocal on the blog; I admire your resolve) and just to demonstrate the complexity of the ToE, just one book on the matter is more than a thousand pages long. (Gould, "The Structure of Evolutionary Theory.")
Heck, if only these ID folk were as temperate as Gould in their separation of metaphysical argument and discussions of tangible fact, we wouldn't even have the level of rhetoric we see these days.
Posted by: O.F. Jay on May 11, 2005 01:29 PMNo, they believe #2--trickster. I asked a friend about this who was a bible literalist. She said whenever carbon dating was done on something, God would screw with the results so they would show the specimen older than it really was. To what end, I don't know. I guess to try and tempt the faithful into believing in evolution...or something.
Posted by: Bob on May 11, 2005 08:28 PMProbably because zealots are not notoriously rigorous thinkers.
Posted by: Timothy on May 11, 2005 09:32 PM"flalse"?
Is that the new contraction for "flatly false"? I like it.
Posted by: smijer on May 12, 2005 12:54 PMNo, but I'll go with that explanation for that typo in the future. Thanks.
Posted by: Steve on May 15, 2005 10:25 PMInterestingly enough the Huber article at Overlawyered mentions cold fusion as junk science.
Latest word out: it is real. The US Navy is checking it out. Among others.
Whether it will be useful as an energy source is another question.
Posted by: M. Simon on May 16, 2005 10:42 AM