This is a truly amazing display of ignorance. This post about the recession, unemployment, and taxes. I love it when Kevin makes these posts as it is like shooting fish in a barrel.
First off, it is the NBER that is thinking of moving the start date of the recession. There are some who think the recession may have started in the last three months of 2000. It isn't clear when or if the dating committee will be moving the start date. Further, the reason for the change has nothing to do with politics or the Bush Administration, but has everything to do with updated economic data from the government (which ironically Kevin holds up as the best we've got...but apparently isn't so good here...go figure).
NBER is a private, nonprofit economic research group. Zarnowitz, an economist with the Conference Board, another private research group, said the dating decision will be nonpolitical, based solely on recently revised government economic data."Presidents don't have so much to do, in my opinion, with when recessions start," Zarnowitz said. "Clearly the boom happened under Clinton, and the boom generates the bust. And no administration has the power to change that."
And to pre-empt the typical idiot response that the recession will be changed to benefit the Bush Administration; answer this: How come the NBER waited until after the election in 1992 to declare the recession over? It was clearly the issue Clinton won on. Yet, the recession was dated in December 22nd of 1992.
This Orwellian phrase is based on an absurd attempt to retroactively declare that the recession started in December 2000 (Clinton) instead of March 2001 (Bush), a 12-week change that obviously makes no difference to anything. But the interesting thing here isn't so much the technical arguments over the starting date of the recession as the fact that Republicans are now tacitly acknowledging that the economy isn't in great shape and are flinging some mud against the wall to see if they can blame it on somebody else.
The problem with this is just about every forecasting agency, group, company is forecasting strong growth for the next few years. The only problem is the "jobless" recovery. But as noted in this post, there are some reasons for this that are probably outside of any Presidents or policymakers hands.
Up until now, you see, their favored storyline has been to deny that there's really anything wrong. For months conservative commenters have been peddling an endless supply of theories designed to demonstrate that the official employment figures are wrong and the economy is really doing much better than anyone thinks. The official numbers, they said, don't pick up job gains from small firms; don't pick up job gains from the self-employed; don't pick up job gains from outsourcing; don't pick up job gains from aesthetic professions; don't pick up something. Two themes are common to most of these explanations: (a) goverment statisticians are idiots who haven't thought of any of this and (b) the authors provide exactly zero evidence for their pet theories aside from a bit of surface plausibility and a few anecdotes.
The problem with this is that Kevin is making exactly the same argument the Republicans are, but in the opposite direction. The "Truth" is probably somewhere in the middle. That is, the criticisms the people in the Bush Administration are bringing up are indeed valid, but they undoubtedly wont explain the poor performance of the labor market when compared to historically to previous recessions. This recovery just doesn't have much job growth. There might be more when the survey samples are updated, but not a whole lot more.
Folks like Brad DeLong and the EPI have been doing yeoman work demonstrating that none of these explanations hold water, and even Alan Greenspan, who has previously shown a convincing willingness to shill for the Bush administration, has thrown cold water on the notion that official statistics aren't picking up the wonders of a tax-cut driven Bush recovery.
As already noted in this post this recession seems to have had a much larger structural unemployment component and smaller cyclical component than in the past. This means two things,
With this last recession that is precisely what we have seen. This chart shows quite clearly that by historical standards unemployment did not rise all that much during the recession,

Now is it possible that one reason why the cyclical component was small was the fortuitous outcome that the Bush Administration enacted tax cuts shortly after the recession began? I think an honest person would have to say that this is indeed a possibility.
As for the idea that the economy is doing badly, just about every forecast out there has the economy booming along with solid growth for several years. Now they could all be wrong, but that doesn't sound like a "weak" economy. The only remaining issue is why is unemployment seemingly stuck in the mid 5% range? Maybe because there isn't much more room for a decrease. The picture above also shows that the unemployment situation during Clinton's last few years in office were extremely low. Even Brad DeLong has noted that is setting the bar too high,
But I do have one complaint. Asking that Bush leave "the job market no worse than he found it" is setting the bar too high by perhaps 2 million jobs or so. It would have been very hard for any set of economic policies to have sustainably kept the economy at the high-pressure state it was in in 2000.
Not that I expect any of these bits of information to change Kevin's mind. Kevin is the epitome of stone deaf.
Posted by Steve at February 23, 2004 10:31 PMYore gonna need to start numbering these posts, I think you're up to 10 or so.
Posted by: Dave on February 24, 2004 06:04 AMI did some back of an envelope calculations, and found that the average unemployment rate in the post-WWII period (1948-present) was right around 5.6%, pretty much where we are today. It amazez me that people on the left are comparing Bush to Hoover, who was president during a time of 25% unemployment...
On another note, why pay any attention to Kevin Drum? He doesn't respond to any criticism of his economic "theories", and it's obvious by now that he is so filled with animus towards Bush that facts have become a mere inconvenience for him. I say leave him to the DU crowd that he is so eager to pander to these days.
Posted by: Clay Ranck on February 24, 2004 09:06 AMAre you kidding Clay, and miss out on such a veritable gold mine of information. Kevin's post makes a great source for me to point out actual economic research, different view points, and what a hack he has become. Besides, its fun too.
Posted by: Steve on February 24, 2004 10:42 AMGood point...I guess I just got so bored with the umpteen AWOL posts that I've now tuned Drum out completely...
Well yeah that did get old. Last I counted there was 14 or 15 and he did a bunch more after that. I think I might have that many posts on unemployment...but in my defense, I have often linked to data releases that are monthly...then again Kevin did change the AWOL charge weekly so maybe its the same.
Posted by: Steve on February 24, 2004 11:56 AMI feel the need to once again defend Mr Drum. He provides a wonderful forum for me to argue in.
I agree that he is sliding deep into all Bush hating all the time, and consequently is drawing more commenters that desperately need to adjust their tin foil hats; but I can still get into reasonably good arguments.
Ron, I hate to be pendantic, but tinfoil is useless.
Everyone knows that only aluminum is effective.
Posted by: Robin Roberts on February 24, 2004 04:50 PMAs for the idea that the economy is doing badly, just about every forecast out there has the economy booming along with solid growth for several years.
I don't buy this. We have interest rates at the lowest they've been since the 50's and the Federal government will run a claimed $520 billion deficit by the end of this financial year. We should see huge growth due to combination of cheap money and easy-spending Feds (eg, more quarters like the annualized 8% 3rd quarter of last year and less like the piddling 4% growth rate of the 4th quarter). THe fact that it takes that kind of huffing and puffing to yield these growth rates isn't a sign of strength.
IMHO, it's much more likely that the rosy forecasts will be correct through election day. Then we'll start to see whoever wins that election making the kind of painful cuts that September 11 aborted.
So here's my prediction. Economy grows through election day, and perhaps through January depending on how much the Feds raise interest rates (and if they bother to fight inflation). Then the economy will start to decline again. Two possible outcomes: declining residential real estate prices and stock market declines (ie, depression), or significant inflation and a stagnant economy (ie, stagflation). Namely, we'll have a real recession this time.
Either way, it's time to kill off the excess that survived back in 2001 and 2002. We'll also see who gambled unluckily during the last few years as well.
Karl,
1. I don't think interest rates are going to stay this low for much longer. I think that they will be going back up sooner rather than later. In fact, the Fed has changed its language about keeping rates low and many saw this as a sign that rate increases are imminent.
2. Deficit spending during and right after a recession is all that unusual. Look at the expansion starting in 1992. Deficits in 1991, 1992, and 1993 were all larger as a percentage of GDP than the current deficit.
Now that doesn't means the deficit isn't an issue and something that can be ignored. I don't think any politician will want to cut the deficit quickly or by much initially. Clinton got lucky is the bottom lin there. He got lucky with a strong economy and tax hikes right when the recovery was ready for them (i.e., no major long lasting ill effects).
Everybody says the economy is weak because of the labor market. I'm thinking that the labor market is weak only by comparing to the last few years of the Clinton era which were highly unusual. There is zero indication to think a recession is iminent.
Posted by: Steve on February 25, 2004 09:04 AM**"I'm thinking that the labor market is weak only by comparing to the last few years of the Clinton era which were highly unusual"**
It was based on a fake dot-com bubble....lots of jobs were put in place (high-paying ones) on the prospect of something occurring that never occurred.
Posted by: Ricky on February 25, 2004 09:27 AMRobin
tin - 3 letters
aluminum - 8 letters
That's a 62.5% reduction in keyboard wear. Less plastic = fewer hydrocarbons. I'm saving the environment here.
But Ron we are talking about mind control here man. Just make sure your AFDB is made with aluminum!
Posted by: Steve on February 25, 2004 11:18 AMWell of course, I mean safety first. And I really want to thank Kucinich for pointing out the potentially devastating effects of the mind-control rays.
It turns out that ignorance is not bliss. Had I remained ignorant, I could have become a tool of the VRWC.
Nader/Kucinich in '04!
Posted by: Ron on February 25, 2004 12:03 PM